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  1. calebt17

    calebt17
    Orlando, FL

    I'm looking for the 14th club to fill my bag. I have a 15 degree 910F and 21 degree 910H. My distances with 3W - 210-220 and 21H - 190-200.

    I'm considering a 19 910F or 17 910H or 19 910H filling the 200-210 spot.

    On par 5's I usually go Driver, hit the 21H 190-200, and leave a comfortable short iron into the green.

    The other option is forget the extra club for the long game and add a 60 degree sm4.

    Full swing short game,
    PW - 45 - 110
    GW - 50 - 100
    SW - 55 - 75-80

    What do you think?

  2. Shake

    Shake
    Auburn, AL

    If you were to go with the 200-210 club I would get a 910h, because it would be easier to hit off of the ground. But if you needed it for off the tee mostly I would get the 910f. I don't think you would need the 60* looking at the distances you hit your other wedges. 

  3. David S

    David S
    Nanuet, NY

    Here is how I would determine which club to add.

    1st: find out for sure how far you would hit each club?  Does the 19 or 17 fit the gap?  How far do you hit a 90 degree wedge.?

    2nd: review your last 5 plus rounds (or keep track of the next 5 rounds).  How many times a round would you have hit the 17/19 H verses the wedge? 

    Go with the club that you have more real demand for on the course.

  4. calebt17

    calebt17
    Orlando, FL

    Looking at my last few rounds, I'm leaning toward the 17 or 19 hybrid because of the versatility off the deck or rough. Time to hit the launch monitor to find out which one fills the gap.

    Thanks for the feedback.

  5. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Another option is replace the 3 wood with a 17F and add the 60 wedge.  

    1.  How often do you get a good enough lie to hit a 15* 3 wood off the deck?

    2.  The difference between a 19H and 21H is 5-7 yards and they may even overlap.

    3.  Do you hit a 19F better or a 17H better?  I actually hit a 21F same distance as a 17H and personally find it easier to hit a fairway wood.  Gotta think outside the hybrid hype.   I can crush a 24 or 27 hybrid but find it easier to hit a fairway wood vs a 17-21 hybrid.

     

  6. I would add the 60 degree without question. You will have much more use for that than another long club.

  7. calebt17

    calebt17
    Orlando, FL

    I appreciate all the comments. This is an interesting point, split the difference in the long game and add the 60. I'm going to consider all these options.

  8. Hello Calebt17,

    I'd ask you to consider, how often do you need to hit a shot 200-210?

    I was putting my golf clubs in the trunk one day and my 3 iron caught my eye. Compared to my other irons, it was pristine, shiny and had not a mark on it. I realized that I never used that club except for one course (long par 3) that I rarely played. Otherwise, that club was just dead weight in the bag. I put a 3 hybrid in the bag which replaced my 2 iron and I could choke down and short my backswing with it if I ever needed that 3 iron distance.  That opened up a slot in my bag for another Titleist wedge. Win win!

    Good luck to you.

  9. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Dan W said:

    Hello Calebt17,

    I'd ask you to consider, how often do you need to hit a shot 200-210?

    I was putting my golf clubs in the trunk one day and my 3 iron caught my eye. Compared to my other irons, it was pristine, shiny and had not a mark on it. I realized that I never used that club except for one course (long par 3) that I rarely played. Otherwise, that club was just dead weight in the bag. I put a 3 hybrid in the bag which replaced my 2 iron and I could choke down and short my backswing with it if I ever needed that 3 iron distance.  That opened up a slot in my bag for another Titleist wedge. Win win!

    Good luck to you.

    That 60-10 does a lot of neat things within 40 yards of the pin.    My bag is as simple as it gets (13* driver, 19* fww set to 19.75, 27H, 34H, AP1 8-PW, Vokey 50-54-60 wedges and putter).  I choke down on my fairway wood to cover the in between distance to the 27H.  I hit the 34H same distance as my 6 iron and much more consistently.  My 7 iron sometimes overlaps the distance with the 8 iron so I choke down 1/2" on the 34 to hit a 7 iron distance shot. 

  10. Matthew R

    Matthew R
    San Marcos, CA

    I would go with the extra wedge.  You are going to save more shots around the green with the right club than you will from 200 yards.  The Vokey wedges are phenomenal... you cannot go wrong filling in with an extra wedge.  All that said, sometimes if the golf course you are playing calls for that key yardage more frequently, then you may think differently.  I just think the short game is where the average golfer wastes the most shots, so if you can improve in that area with more versatility, then go with that.

  11. calebt17

    calebt17
    Orlando, FL

    I'm going to adjust my 15 910F to 16.5 to cover the 4 wood distance (17 degree) and buy the 60. Thanks for all the suggestions.

  12. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    calebt17 said:

    I'm going to adjust my 15 910F to 16.5 to cover the 4 wood distance (17 degree) and buy the 60. Thanks for all the suggestions.

    Makes good sense since the 17 would have a .5* open clubface and the 15 set to 16.5 may have a slightly closed clubface. 

  13. calebt17

    calebt17
    Orlando, FL

    First day changing my 910F 3W 15 to 16.50, it was easier to hit off the deck and the tee.

    I bought a SM4 60.07 degree. All I can say is wow, what an amazing club. I used it all day around the green and the bunkers. The result 28 putts (8 total 1 putts and 13 putts on the back 9). I have been averaging about 32 putts a round. I was close enough to the pins for kick in's most of the day. It was great to hit it square, pop up in the air one bounce and stop. Also, it was fun to see it hit and roll towards the pin. I enjoyed hitting bunker shots with it. I used a full swing, accelerated through at impact, and it was an easy out.

    There were a couple times I bladed it but overall it worked well. Thanks for the recommendation, it was a smart investment.

  14. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Smart choice! 

    I conquered the Bunker From Hell (8' from the bottom to the green) with the 60-10.  I love that wedge!

     

  15. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Lou G said:

    Smart choice! 

    I conquered the Bunker From Hell (8' from the bottom to the green) with the 60-10.  I love that wedge!

     

    You can never go wrong with a good lob wedge [58, 60, 62 or (if you really dare) 64].  Responsible for at least a dozen chip in birdies and numerous one putt greens.  

  16. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Matthew R said:

    I would go with the extra wedge.  You are going to save more shots around the green with the right club than you will from 200 yards.  The Vokey wedges are phenomenal... you cannot go wrong filling in with an extra wedge.  All that said, sometimes if the golf course you are playing calls for that key yardage more frequently, then you may think differently.  I just think the short game is where the average golfer wastes the most shots, so if you can improve in that area with more versatility, then go with that.

    Most people aren't that pinpoint on accuracy with woods and long hybrids (even golf pros only hit 70-75% GIR) .  Getting down in 2 from 20 yards or less is not that difficult of a task.  The 60 wedge is also good where you have 15 feet between the edge of the green and the pin.  I love my SM4 60-10 (I bent it 59); it has enough bounce on the leading edge to extract from deep bunkers with soft sand and I can still hit off a hard pan lie or packed sand by playing a dig shot.  

    Also, quite frankly, sometimes there really isn't any added value having a loft separation of 2-3* between hybrids because the distances sometimes overlap. Sometimes you can hit the more lofted club better.  

    It is actually much more beneficial to use a 17-18* fairway wood and 21H as a combo.  One would get a lot more use out of a strong 5 wood vs a 3 wood and the former can be hit from a wider variety of lies.  There are numerous articles where pros often recommend a combination of a 4 wood and 7 wood (especially for people with swing speeds of 85 mph or less)

    http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/2011-05/golf-johnson-equipment-0530 is a great article about using a 4 wood instead of the traditional 3W-3H or 3-5W setup.

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