T200.T150 split set

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By Daniel Tramble

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  1. Daniel Tramble

    Daniel Tramble
    Dartmouth

    Hi All. Hope everyone's week is great. I have a few questions.

    Did a fitting a month ago (worked hard on my swing this winter). we eventually opted for the T200 5-6 iron and the T150 7-48. (standard length and lie) I swung the stock clubs and KBS tour lite R flex was determined for me. I like MMC midsized grips and asked for them in the fitting The stock club I swung would have been D1-D2 (had the stock grip)

    Now my question is pertaining to playing weight. I know this is a not one answer fit type of question. I took my new clubs when I got them and measured the swing weight on my Maltby scale. The 5-PW measure C7.5 and the 48* measures C8. They feel LIGHT.

    A regular grip is 50 G whereas my MMC midsized is 59-50 g. (10 grams difference approx 2 SW points).

    Shouldn't my clubs I ordered came out at D0 and the 48* slightly higher?? My old irons (2019 T200 I had adjusted for D2 with AMT R300 black shafts)

    I realize that if the existing clubs ( I ordered) were altered (tip weights added) the shaft profile may change and might affect MOI etc.

    Now looking at SW vs midsized grips... the grip I selected should drop SW 2 points... by the math... my irons came out at C7.5 (average). I hit them in the trackman and I was spraying the ball quite a bit. I did pick up 5 mph SS though

    I tried graphite shafts in the fitting and for me they didn't work as well as what was selected. the fitter told me my AMT shafts were too heavy for me. I understand this

    My existing clubs I have are all SW matched including wedges (D4) and hybrids/FW (D2) and driver is set at D4

    If someone could offer an opinion I would be happy to read it. I just feel these clubs feel a lot more light compared to what I had

    And I realize I went from a progressive weighted set of shafts to a constant weight shaft

    Many Thanks

    Dan

  2. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    Swing weight is a parameter that can be specified in the order. Although if Titleist built the clubs with the MCC 4+ grips, they should have built the SW to at least D1 (stock). Adjusting the swing weight is a step prior to gluing the head to the shaft.

    The heads all vary in weight from the factory. The final weight is adjusted in the assembly by adding weights in the hosel. Regardless of the shaft weight or length or grip attached in the assembly.

    You can have the dealer check with Titleist about the swing weight of the club as it left the factory. They store all the details of each club as assembled in your set.

  3. Daniel Tramble

    Daniel Tramble
    Dartmouth

    Don. Thanks for the response. I called Titleist directly to answer my questions and they were very helpful. Here was my response. "With the T150's they are built to D2 with a standard 50g grip and a standard 120g shaft. Because I requested a 25g lighter shaft SW will move roughly 2.5 SW points. MAKES SENSE. So your baseline SW would be D0-C9.5. By the math this makes sense. Now couple a stock build (length wise) into 95g shafts and then add a +10g grip and you get C7.5. They said I could ass 4-6 g in the tip however every 2 g tip weighting will throw off the CPM 1 cycle. there are 10 cycles per CPM so if I did 6 g (in my case 6 g is what I need). I would have the shafts in essence play 1/3 softer I flex...."

    I had a great guy explain it to me.... and it made sense... I am going to just forget about this SW thing and hit them. If I feel they are too light I will go back to standard grips and get a little headlight back

    I *tried* to hit graphite but really fought with clubbed control on the TM. I'll play them a while and see

    I know now without a doubt my 54* and my 60* will play too heavy for me so I'll have to look at adjusting them as they are indeed SUPER HEAVY.

    Thanks for the response man and I hope some people out there can understand what I just re-iterated. I know on the TT FB page there were a few there asking this info...

    He told me "Titleist rarely ever adjust SW at the factory" as SW can change from shaft weight etc

    Thanks Again Don

    Dan
  4. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    Glad you got such a knowledgeable response.

    So if I understand your explanation, unspecified swing weights are not adjusted. If you do specify the swing weight, they will try to get there? I’ve heard Titleist will get back to the ordering site if unable to get there - I had this conversation back around 2018 with someone no longer with the company. This was somewhat affirmed in subsequent plant tours as the tour lead has us watching team members checking the weight and adding the correct weight to the hosel to get the club back to spec. All using analytical scales tied to computers to store what went into each club.
  5. Daniel Tramble

    Daniel Tramble
    Dartmouth

    There are so may variables that will affect the final result on the scale.... Let's say you are using a target grip weight of 50 g. if you go up 1.5 grams (common in golf pride grips) can throw off the scale at the head by 1 gram....

    When you swing weight truly to do it accurately you need to measure the raw (uncut) shaft weight and the head weight and them give the calculator the uncut length ... again things like ferrule weight and numbers of tape work +- this final number.


    What I can tell you. there are 10 cycles per shaft flex. each 2 g added to the tip will effect directly CPM by 1/10 in the shaft which will have an effect on shaft flex...

    TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION....

    I believe Titleist want a R or S shaft to play like it is ... (minimal weight added)

    so for illustration purposes. T200 with standard 115 g shaft and 50g grip would play at say "D2" but.... if you go down 9 g in shaft weight (EXAMPLE MODUS 5-105G) it will settle out at D1 (this is what lighter shafts do) and if you were to go to 95G shafts (EXAMPLE KBS TOOUR LITE) that's a 2 point reduction. So your baseline is D0.

    Titleist build to a "baseline swing weight" shaft weight directly effects assembled SW. make sense??

    I used to be a scale guy but to be totally honest there is so much more to it than the scale. Then the scale has a +- percentage as well

    What it all boils down to is when you have the club in your hands and you waggle it do they all "feel" very similar.
    I would tip weight but only minimal I am learning....because it will indirectly effect shaft flex

    I know this is a major geeky question and I am glad I did some research because I feel what ive come to is an acceptable conclusion

    Hope this makes sense

    Dan

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