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  1. Andrew D

    Andrew D
    auckland, 0

    I currently play AP2 4-PW, Vokey 52, MB 56, Hippo 60.  First priority is to replace the 56, no spin and dont have a lot of confidence with the look/feel of this club.  My course is a links and the greens hard & fast, becoming more bump & run than target the flag.  So 2 questions really: 1) has anyone moved from a similar wedge set up like mine to a 3 wedge set up and if so what was the set up you went to? and 2) any feedback on the performance/spin of the Vokey spin milled vs other brands of wedges.  Appreciate any feedback before deciding on straight replacement or moving to different setup/lofts.

  2. Brent W

    Brent W
    St George, UT

    You are playing what most people figure is a three wedge setup. They don't count their PW as one of their wedges.

    The Vokey's are as good as any wedge but you might be able to get a different wedge that will spin a little more, The Jaws wedges are good and there are a couple more but the names escape me. One important factor is the bounce, You need to get one for your type of swing so you don't dig into the turf to much or bounce into the belly of the ball.

    I would try some different bounces with the same loft. You might want to try a 54,58.64. Or just practice alot with getting the ball on the ground as soon as possible and rolling out the rest of the way, You can judge those shots much better.

    I prolly did not help much but good luck in your quest. :)

  3. Chad Jones

    Chad Jones
    Heathrow

    Andrew, You first need to figure out if your a digger or a picker. That will help you decide on what bounce you will need on your wedges. Then I would suggest you decide on the lofts. I hope this helps. Chad

  4. Chris92009

    Chris92009
    Ohio

    Chad Jones said:

    Andrew, You first need to figure out if your a digger or a picker. That will help you decide on what bounce you will need on your wedges. Then I would suggest you decide on the lofts. I hope this helps. Chad

    Excellent point...this also factors in the type of course(s) you play. Some courses are firmer and less bounce could work to your advantage (or vice versa softer courses may allow you tondig morenrequiring possibly more bounce) etc...etc...
  5. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Can't forget the type of bunkers on the course. I notice a lot of people neglect to mention bunker play in these forums and we DO get in them from time to time. 55-12 (54-11 bent to 55) covers most bunker bases and also can get under the ball on some tight fairways. I think if someone went 50-08, 54-14 and 60-10 that would cover a lot of bases. A 60-10 works nicely in a wet or hard bunker (I constructed a Snake Eyes 600W in 2009). I had a 58-12 but its main issue was hard bunkers.
  6. Justinu3

    Justinu3
    Clive, IA

    I have a 50.08, 56.11 and 60.07 spin milled Vokey set up.  I have a 45* AP1 PW.

    I'm going to get my 56 bent to 55 so i have 5* of separation though.  I think that bounce will change to 10 or 9* then.

    8-11* of bounce is right in the middle.

  7. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I use the DCI 981 P and W, Vokey 54-11 bent to 55-12, and 62-07. 55-12 is a good all around sand wedge for an average variety of conditions. The 62-07 has a wider flange than a 60-07 and works out of wet or soft sand for short, high shots (the reason I use it is because it does as much as the 60-07 and 64-07 put together; the 60-07 does not work well in soft sand but the 64-07 does and it would be simpler to use the 60-07 off a tight lie because you have to de-loft the 64-07 anyway). If you bend a wedge, you decrease the bounce when bending stronger and increase bounce when bending weaker. It is a 1:1 ratio of degrees.
  8. Quintin H

    Quintin H
    Morehead, KY

    If that is a HWT 60, it will be hard to take out of the bag.

    I decided to add a third wedge between the PW and LW, a Vokey 54/14.

    A high bounce wedge has some advantages you don't want to over look. Like sand play and getting the ball out of rough rough. And the 56 is a good loft to put some bounce on.

    If you have all low bounce wedges, then most likely you could use the 52 and 60 to handle any shot you would use the 56. But if you slap on some big bounce then the 56 has capabilities the 52 and 60 can't do.

    BTW the 54/14 is c-c, and I get all the spin I need.

  9. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Quintin: you hit the nail on the head! After reading a numerous amount of posts on wedges, you don't see what people are using in bunkers or thick grass. It seems to be about filling distance gaps or whether someone's style of pitching/chipping is digging or sliding. Also take a look at the survey at the beginning of the Team Titleist page - less than 3 percent of those surveyed practice bunker shots yet 40 percent practice chipping. If you observe a lot of golfers, they struggle in bunkers. My 54-11 is a very versatile wedge. The reason I had it bent to 55 is that I have developed a comfort zone with a 55-12 sand wedge. I can hit this wedge in soft sand, long shots in hard or wet sand, pitches from most turf and so on. My 62-07 has a wider flange vs the 60-07 and it works nice for short sand shots from soft stuff, most hard greenside bunkers and generally within 25 yards of the pin. I got it mainly because of the limitations of the 60-07 (soft sand) and 64-07 (tight lies).
  10. Joel S

    Joel S
    Oakland, MO

    I recently reconfigured my wedge set up too, and am loving the results. Previously had a 52*, 55* (14 bounce) but was losing so much accuracy within 100 yards. I've always been a pretty solid bunker player, so I was concerned about removing the Vokey 55.14, and whatever I replaced it with HAD to be another full bounce wedge for use out of sand and deep rough. So I ended up going with Vokey 56.13 and 60.07 and am loving them! (Still have the 52* GW as well (another brand), and I'm thinking of updating it to a Vokey GW) The spin is something I haven't seen with my wedge play, really, ever. And the ability to take full swings inside of 100 yards has really benefitted me (hitting the 56* about 85 yds and the 60* about 65 yds). I was initially really concerned about the 60*, as I hadn't played a lob wedge since high school and didn't really like or have a lot of success with it then. But the LW has been a tremendous addition. I love the versatility around the greens (an unexpected benefit of the LW) that it gives me to fly the ball to a pin, instead of feeling like I always have to play a bump and run. This is probably more than you were intested in, but if it's an endorsement of the Vokeys you were looking for, I can certainly give you that - I've now had great luck with 3 Vokey wedges, and will continue to use Vokey for future wedges.
  11. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Using a LW allows one to be more aggressive around the greens. I find it much easier to take an 8 oclock swing with a 62 from 15 yards and drop it a foot from the hole vs trying to take a 6 inch swing with a PW. Even a sand wedge from 15 yards is a completely choked 1/4 swing. Your distances for full swings are about what I hit. I used to hit the 60-07 about 65 yards. I'm good for about 55 with 62 but that is a bit of a risky shot vs taking a pitch with a SW or GW. I can hit a SW 85 yards or so but the less risky shot is to pitch a 9 iron or choke on a GW. The risk is landing short or trying to muscle it and ending up other than at the intended target.
  12. Will S

    Will S
    Louisville, KY

    I have had both a 4 wedge sets and 3 wedge sets. My current set consists of 47,52,& 57. I have a custom grind on both the 52 and 57 in order to give me some versatility. I decided to go to this setup because in my last set I had 47,51,55,& 59 and I found that I rarely used my 59. Making this move has allowed me to get rid of a yardage gap that existed between my irons and woods So far I have been very happy with my current setup.
  13. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Mine is P(47),W(51), 54-11 and 62-07. The first two wedges are "set" wedges (DCI 981) and the last two are Vokey SM c-c. I also have a set of Eye 2 yellow dot irons that I am doing the rework on and the PW is 48.5 so I may replace the 47 and 51 with the Eye 32 (the only issue is I have taken a bit of a liking to the 51 for my 35-100 yard shots as of late; both the Eye 2 and DCI W are good for long bunker shots). Course conditions as of the past 3 months or so have pretty much dictated use of the P or W (and sometimes the 9 iron) for approach shots. The greens at both courses I play have been a bit soft and pin position has been on the back of the green (each course has a couple two tiered greens). They have had the fairways pretty closely mowed. I normally use my 54 for about 80 percent of my approach shots within 60 yards. I also rarely use a lob wedge. I carried a 60-07 and 64-07 up until about a month ago (didn't carry the W gap wedge). I simplified to a 62-07 since the 60-07 didn't perform well for small deep bunkers with soft sand (the 64 worked great for that) and it was pointless to use the 64-07 on a tight lie because I had to de loft it (to the point that it was better to use the 60-07). I found the 62-07 works for greenside bunker shots in deep bunkers in both wet/hard and soft sand (even though it is a 7 deg bounce, it has a wider flange on it vs the 60-07).

  14. Andrew D

    Andrew D
    auckland, 0

    Thanks to everyone for the feedback.  Tried to get fit for 56 deg Vokey spin milled (non conforming) but the fitting left a little to be desired in terms of getting into a Titleist wedge.  They didnt have all bounce variations and from the impact tape I was in between the bounces they did have.

    The pro eventually fit me into a Callaway Jaws (CC).  I must admit its a real nice club, but was hoping for the spin milled Vokey.  I have since gone on to replace my old 52 deg Vokey with the Callaway Jaws with mac daddy grooves.  I've never seen anything quite like the spin this thing generates, though I've heard the Vokey spin milled (non conforming) comes pretty close.  Again a fitting issue, I was only given the CC version of the Vokeys to hit during my "fitting" so trying to compare that to the Callaway with MD grooves is a little like apples to oranges. 

    Hope this doesn't read like a complaint about Titleist or their equipment (I've pretty much got a bag full of Titleist gear except for the wedges now), it's not and I'm sure  one day the Vokeys will reappear in my bag, but for now I'm gonna have fun tearing up balls with the Jaws (that statement just doesn't sound right).

  15. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Here is my final thought.... I just got my Eye 2 yellow dot irons back (had them reshafted to TT Lite XL regular). Had a shootout with the DCI P (47) and the Eye 2+ W (48.5) and, although the full swing distance is identical, the Eye 2 smokes it in short game performance (and I even hit a nice high altitude long sand shot with the Eye 2). There is not a thing on the market in the PW arena that compares to a Eye 2. I even tried a Vokey 48 and didn't like it (I struggled through a round of golf with it). As far as the SW and LW, my SM c-c 54-11 and 62-07 are here to stay. I had the 54-11 bent to 55 because I have had a comfort zone with a 55-12 for 3 years now (I built a set of Snake Eyes Q3I irons and the set SW did quite a bit more than a lot of name brand sand wedges). The 62-07 overcomes the limitations of the 60-07 (soft bunker shots) and 64-07 (tight lies) and the latter two produce great shots in their own right. The 54-11 has been a go-to club for quite sometime (got it when I sold my Q3I irons at the beginning of the year). The shootout continues with the DCI 981 and Eye 2 6-9 irons (along with my Louisville 34H alongside both pairs of 6 and 7 irons). I have both sets of irons zeroed in for length and lie angle.

  16. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    The yellow dots won the iron shootout; however, I just acquired a 50-08 cc after playing around with a used Spin-Milled 50-08 (bent to 51). I honestly think that the 50-08 is another thing that falls in the ranks of "greatest thing since sliced bread". It can be set up more like a PW by bending a degree or two strong loft) or a high bounce gap wedge (by bendin a degree or two weak). The 50-08 (bent to 51) is fabulous for long bunker shots in soft sand where the SW barely carries the bunker. The 9 iron (45 deg) is so close in loft to a modern PW, that I might consider pulling the Eye 2 W (48.5) since the spacing between the 9 and 50-08 bent is 6 deg; the BIG HOWEVER is that the Eye 2 W has a composite sole (high bounce on the leading edge and low on the trailing edge) and works well in grassy lies and bunkers.
  17. Christian J

    Christian J

    Try to get a nice gap between your wedges.

    Having around 12-15 yard gaps.

    And choose a wedge for bunker and then have a lob wedge if you need to.

    Then if your gap between your prefeered SW and and your PW is biger than 30 yards put in a GW.

     

    I play a SM4 46.08 and 3 Taylormade Z TP 51.07(Bent from 52.08) and 56.12 (Bent from 54.10) and this wedge is great with a bit extra bounce and sole in bunkers, then i have a 60.06, all in a smoke/black nickel finish.

    SM4 46.08       122y

    51.07                108y

    56.12                93y

    60.06                79y

    This is my gaps.

    /Christian  15year old 3 HCP

  18. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Christian J said:

    Try to get a nice gap between your wedges.

    Having around 12-15 yard gaps.

    And choose a wedge for bunker and then have a lob wedge if you need to.

    Then if your gap between your prefeered SW and and your PW is biger than 30 yards put in a GW.

     

    I play a SM4 46.08 and 3 Taylormade Z TP 51.07(Bent from 52.08) and 56.12 (Bent from 54.10) and this wedge is great with a bit extra bounce and sole in bunkers, then i have a 60.06, all in a smoke/black nickel finish.

    SM4 46.08       122y

    51.07                108y

    56.12                93y

    60.06                79y

    This is my gaps.

    /Christian  15year old 3 HCP

    Since my last post, I have tossed the PW (the 50 is way better, performance-wise and I pretty much have it nailed). I also flattened my irons to Blue Dot. Finally, I added a 58-04 with the intent of a low bounce LW for some of the munis I occasionally play; I also found out it works well in a variety of conditions.

    I would probably say that 99 percent of my short game is with the 50 and 58. I use my 9 iron a lot for distances between 80-120 yards and some bump n run shots. The adaptation to the 58 was easy, considering sand wedges were the same loft in the good old days, that I used a Vokey TC 58-12 between 2007-2009, used a CG15 DSG 58 for 2009-mid 2010 (I switched to a Vokey SM2 60-07 and used it until mid-2011, when I changed it and the 64-07 to 62-07).

    The SM3 58-04, IMHO, is about as close to an old school sand wedge as one can get. I've also had my 54-11 (bent to 55-12) for over a year and the transition from my DIY sand wedge was pretty easy (I played with a set of Snake Eyes Q3A irons thru March of last year and changed them to Eye 2 after being impressed with the way the latter hit).

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